tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post7593502646289079194..comments2024-03-26T17:37:35.499+00:00Comments on Linux notes from DarkDuck: The shocking OpenSuSE 12.2 KDE, plus an unexpected surpriseDarkDuck (m)http://www.blogger.com/profile/06273784224243667602noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-70944178836772032382013-07-27T21:29:03.064+01:002013-07-27T21:29:03.064+01:00Thanks, Gairik!Thanks, Gairik!DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-66725030583843430192013-07-27T19:37:47.478+01:002013-07-27T19:37:47.478+01:00http://techwikasta.com/2013/05/how-to-install-open...http://techwikasta.com/2013/05/how-to-install-opensuse-12-3-os-in-virtual-box/ ... this is an authentic site to install opensuse 12.3 os /// have a look Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04055352497362221487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-89917855817192827352013-04-10T22:42:33.524+01:002013-04-10T22:42:33.524+01:00The reasons why I do (did) mostly Live reviews are...The reasons why I do (did) mostly Live reviews are listed in the article, available in "<a href="http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/p/start-here.html" rel="nofollow">Start here</a>" link at the top.<br />If someone disagrees with my approach, it is a free world and "close window" exists in every browser. I don't make anyone to read, that's their personal decision.<br /><br />I think OpenSuSE has published their rules for system numbering. It has nothing to do with stability, purely calendar based. 13.0 can be better, or can be worse than 12.3.DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-78233343620018886502013-04-10T13:49:17.314+01:002013-04-10T13:49:17.314+01:00Feedback it was.... and advice at the end of my co...Feedback it was.... and advice at the end of my comment it was too, but not about writing reviews, the advice was about replying to comments. How you reply to comments is your choice but your readers seem to unanimously agree that a Live distro isn't the best way to review a distro unless the whole point of that distro is to be live, like Slax, Knoppix or Puppy.<br /><br />If constructive critisism of your review isn't accepted well people will come here to nitpick your articles rather than be entertained by reading them properly, and you're going to end up with lots of pointless comments about your abilities like in Steven JV Nichols blog. The comments detract from decent articles.<br /><br />I guess it was just a typo but it was me that tried 12.3, not 12.2. My mistake and I will agree that after having tried 12.2 since my comment it is a huge step behind 12.3 and maybe 12.3 should have become 13.0.Adamskiechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11861063598836462130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-76067102497621901322013-04-08T21:42:22.059+01:002013-04-08T21:42:22.059+01:00Thanks for your feedback! I think the dependency c...Thanks for your feedback! I think the dependency comes with Live CD option, which I tried. It may not come with Live DVD as in your case. Also, you tried 12.2 versus mine 12.3. Lastly, I think the number of additional updates grow with time. It may be minimal just after a new release, but increases as developers release new versions of packages. It is not that bad thing. The bad thing is that you cannot install an application in Live version without being asked to upgrade a significant number of system packages. That's not the case for Ubuntu or Fedora that you mentioned. I only saw it in OpenSuSE, in different versions of it.<br /><br />I regularly use Xubuntu and still to notice any system crash there. Maybe we use different applications, but... <br /><br />And last but not least, if you want to give advises on how to write reviews, please start your own blog and write your reviews there. Or, even better, write a review and send it to me for a guest post. There is a good chance to be published!DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-43690260307202420182013-04-08T19:25:51.633+01:002013-04-08T19:25:51.633+01:00I've been looking for a distro with stable pac...I've been looking for a distro with stable packages in it but more of a rolling-release than having to upgrade or fresh install every six months and OpenSuse Tumbleweed looked ideal over just a handful of rolling distros available. This was the first review I read I was doubting my Core2Duo/Intel GMA based laptop was going to handle it.<br /><br />First I tried the 12.3 LiveDVD which didn't have the dependency issues noted here, yes a couple of updates needed but not hundreds of dependencies. The LiveDVD KDE edition was pretty slow but I've found this with a few live distros with a variety of desktops.<br /><br />I then tried it on a 8GB Peak USB2 memory stick. Still felt like the desktop was pretty slow but KDE is just about bearable compared to when I first tried 4.1<br /><br />Finally, as I had found a selection of other desktops that had packages readily available I decided to go for a full install. What a difference that has made. I've been using LMDE (Mint, not the desktop with X) for a while now along with Xubuntu. I got fed up with my CPU fan on all the time with LMDE and a fair few crashes in XFCE under Xubuntu.<br /><br />The full install is quite nippy for such a heavyweight desktop like KDE. As a developer using QT a fair amount I decided to give Razor-QT a shot. I flick between KDE, Razor-QT and LXDE depending on what I am doing but there is little perfomance difference in any of them. Having said that KDE is sluggish running VirtualBox and Eclipse. Memory usage-wise, LMDE was regularly up to 750mb with Firefox open and OpenSuse seems to have dropped that to about 540mb even while running KDE. I don't have time to start system tuning everything so stock installs are my thing.<br /><br />Overall I wish Fedora was a more stable rolling-release and Ubuntu hadn't gone all custom-kernel-ish and hardware demanding but OpenSuse seems to be filling the gap for me nicely.<br /><br />Just some advice Dark Duck, I know this is your blog but don't hammer people for suggesting an improvement in testing distros. Live distros still just don't have the performance or resources of a full install.Adamskiechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11861063598836462130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-71204038219381578152013-03-01T22:11:23.112+00:002013-03-01T22:11:23.112+00:00recently i have sitten on Linux (opensuse exactly)...recently i have sitten on Linux (opensuse exactly). after over many years on windows, it doesn't look very friendly environment. But i'd like mention many performance-issues are based firstly upon configurations. for instance, why'd workstation need to run visual effects of desktop???? most of them even makes work worse, but steadily consumes processor(s) & memory as well + don't forget about crowd of daemons (run from the very boot). not everyone of'em are often needful & some have been completely useless for user. SarK0Yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03664267553436085365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-83133386867169467642013-01-30T22:21:57.502+00:002013-01-30T22:21:57.502+00:00Roger, thank you very much for long and explanator...Roger, thank you very much for long and explanatory comment! Much appreciated!DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-60905085627601380222013-01-30T18:01:14.345+00:002013-01-30T18:01:14.345+00:00Greetings!
I'm an Ambassador with the openSUS...Greetings!<br /><br />I'm an Ambassador with the openSUSE project, and wanted to clarify some things. We of course are grateful for any review that is mainly positive.<br /><br />When we create the LiveCD images, many sacrifices must be made in order to have a functional environment contained in such tiny space. The LiveCD is NOT at all what an installed system would look like, as we have to remove a massive number of packages in order to squish a running system into a CD. We provide the LiveCD images for a few reasons, primarily for those countries where DVD burners etc. are less common (DVD being the vastly preferred installation media)as well as to provide a simple means for a user to check their hardware compatibility with openSUSE. Thus, when running the package management it wants to pull in all the base openSUSE software that isn't included in the LiveCD image. generally, the package management isn't designed to work outside of an installed system, so errors should be expected.<br /><br />The preferred method of installation would be to use the DVD image. The DVD image guarantees no packages are left out of the base system, which also means that updates are only actual updates rather than it still needing to net install the base system. Also, the space on the DVD is used to contain a large amount of optional software, such as development tools and the other environments. With the software YaST module in our DVD, you can select any, or all of our desktop environments. With the DVD it is even possible to do updates to the system packages via. ethernet before ever arriving to your desktop.<br /><br />Generally, the preferred method for creating a LiveUSB is via SUSEstudio. With SUSE studio, you can create your own ideal custom version of openSUSE with exactly the packages you want. Using our simple web interface you can craft an image for a variety of deployment scenarios and any task. In essence, SUSEstudio allows you to create your own spin using nothing more than a simple point and click web interface.<br /><br />Skype and other such software is proprietary, and as such will generally not be hosted in our repositories. Some community members have made downloadable packages that make use of fetching scripts to serve the same effect in the past. There are less of these than there had been. Installing multimedia capability into openSUSE is painless. Simply google "openSUSE multimedia one click." Of course, the Fluendo products for gstreamer applications are also an excellent and simple option.<br /><br />It bears mentioning, that the hideous menu structure is generally the default behavior of KDE. If I recall correctly, there is a means of tuning that differently.Rogerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06200716217216892767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-64073812474691704772013-01-28T17:13:31.738+00:002013-01-28T17:13:31.738+00:00Hi,
Thanks for your feedback. I appreciate your po...Hi,<br />Thanks for your feedback. I appreciate your position, by my position is different. Why shouldn't it be? It's my. 8-)DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-74262854298291120832013-01-28T05:17:22.320+00:002013-01-28T05:17:22.320+00:00I've been using it for almost a month, and I ...I've been using it for almost a month, and I tell you, I'm loving it!<br /><br />I got rid of unity, and gnome 3, cinnamon, etc, they are just not ready, incomplete, and they are hugs, memory vampires.<br /><br />You should really do your testing right before you come to a conclusion that is not accurate at all!<br /><br />I tell you man, I've always been a KDE enthusiast, but I couldn't never found a stable KDE distro that fit my needs, and I used to hate openSUSE so I never really gave it a chance (I always keep ubuntu as my OS), but then they start up the whole unity mess, and then the whole gnome 3 senseless Desktop Environment crap, and then kubuntu is just not stable,... so long story short, openSUSE dit it, with KDE.<br /><br />Better Performance, stability, variety, good support, man!... list will go on and on!<br /><br />So hopefully you'd take back your discrediting words, because this OS is pretty good, and so far the best Linux distro there is out there, and with KDE. Well at least for me it is!<br /><br />***********<br />toshiba satellite l645<br />AMD Turion(tm) II P540 Dual-Core Processor <br />4GB Ram<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-58007602488776254822013-01-14T22:08:21.925+00:002013-01-14T22:08:21.925+00:00You can question whatever you want, but this is my...You can question whatever you want, but this is my blog and my rules.DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-74766006082295212212013-01-14T22:04:31.752+00:002013-01-14T22:04:31.752+00:00I totally agree that sing a liv set isn't the ...I totally agree that sing a liv set isn't the best way to do an indepth review.<br /><br />K3B comes with the DVD; menus are polulated with more than just one or two applicatios with the DVD etc.<br /><br />Now. my Aspier 5680 boots oS 12.2 fast. fedora is faster; Ubuntu is so muc different that I generally don't look at.<br /><br />zypper is a geat and fast tool. the same solver is used for yast and zypper; if there are selection differences, it's due to a different query what to install probably. however I never noticed that for a start as I generaly only use zypper. <br /><br />If a good example can be given (say in a vm that can be transferred, I could ake a lok at what happens.<br /><br />Anyways, a live cd is workable but never ever comes close to a full instalation. If this concept is dismissed by you, I seriusly would question the whole thing here.itisme1964https://www.blogger.com/profile/01372078969934290945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-35353262737257345012012-11-25T03:14:33.244+00:002012-11-25T03:14:33.244+00:00Dear DarkDuck,
for the purpose of reviewing an OS,...Dear DarkDuck,<br />for the purpose of reviewing an OS, if you are so against doing a hard install, you should at least install vmware player or virtualbox or any other countless virtualization software.<br /><br />In my own "reviews" of *unix OSes, i have found that OpenSuSe and Ubuntu fit the bill for everything i need and just about everything I want. (unfortunately, they cant provide me with the hardware that I want)<br /><br />OpenSuSe is my main desktop os, my server OS,and my laptop OS. Kubuntu is my wife's desktop, laptop OS.<br />Mythbuntu is my DVR<br />Last but not least, my 6 year old autistic son uses OpenSuse with KDE4 on his 7 year old laptop. (I actually had to upgrade him from windows and ubuntu)<br /><br />One of your comments concerning the package dependencies is a failure to research before your post is made. by default (along with almost every other OS) "critical" and "security" updates are downloaded and installed by default. you can disable this feature inside of yast/software update.<br /><br />As far as people commenting about your decision to run live software and write a review....just look at your review. Of course you are going to get negative feedback. <br /><br />Great review otherwise. appreciate the effort and time you have taken to write the review. Gives us incite on what we need to work on as a community to improve the end user experience.<br /><br />one more thing, KDE is all about configurability and user individuality, while most other desktop environments (i.e. Gnome, Unity, Cinnamon, LXE....) are more geared towards "this is the way it works, if you dont like it, use something else" vgvxfm1https://www.blogger.com/profile/11813397846574395477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-13696062155103745542012-11-20T12:54:37.358+00:002012-11-20T12:54:37.358+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04786319143105652795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-40794665754394875872012-10-24T20:14:36.229+01:002012-10-24T20:14:36.229+01:00Won't happen again.
I stumbled on this review...Won't happen again.<br /><br />I stumbled on this review (Because it has the title : "The shocking OpenSuSE 12.2 KDE, plus an unexpected surprise" )(Google)<br /><br />when I start reading it, I realize that is was a review of a live version<br />Like I said, I never saw a live version that was as good as the installed version.<br />A installed version of SuSE is better then the live version.<br />Just put that here as a comment.<br />But after reading the other comments I see that you don't like that kind of feedback <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12497371479855677671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-17937538740296320292012-10-24T12:02:32.206+01:002012-10-24T12:02:32.206+01:00Appreciate your opinion about SuSE and Mageia, but...Appreciate your opinion about SuSE and Mageia, but I'd ask you not to invest more time into the aggression against the Live system reviews.DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-76474626991379689622012-10-24T10:01:56.451+01:002012-10-24T10:01:56.451+01:00I installed opensuse 12.2.
Think that is very snap...I installed opensuse 12.2.<br />Think that is very snappy. and stable.<br />Personally I think it is one of the best KDE4-based distro's<br /><br />(Yes Ik did try Mageia 2 on a HP Pavilion, but 3D didn't work, when I used Switcharoo the system crashed)<br /><br />Opensuse is easy to install and all the Multimedia Codecs are just one click away.<br />Personal I think that a Review of a distro using a live-version little bit stupid.<br />I never saw a live version that was as good as the installed version.<br />For example my "live" experience with Mageia was terrible.<br /><br />Sorry for my bad english (Dutch) <br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12497371479855677671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-35640150402866082712012-10-07T16:37:31.856+01:002012-10-07T16:37:31.856+01:00I agree with your points that OpenSuSE has some th...I agree with your points that OpenSuSE has some things to polish yet. Although, I understand you're overwhelmed with KDE4 after GNOME. I can assure you: there's plenty of KDE4-based distributions which are better, IMHO, than OpenSuSE.<br />I write this from my Mageia 2 KDE, for example.DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-21628372869233342302012-10-06T17:48:21.204+01:002012-10-06T17:48:21.204+01:00I've been using OpenSUSE 12.2 for couple of we...I've been using OpenSUSE 12.2 for couple of weeks now and this is what I see:<br /><br />- The system boots very fast - less than 40 seconds on a six year old laptop<br />- I didn't see any desktop artifacts at all. It was a very easy to use the GUI to configure an extended desktop between my laptop and monitor without any command-line trickery.<br />- I didn't see double listing of Kaffeine in the menu. I like the classic menu better but the search facility of the new menu actually is faster (or Alt+F2 is even faster).<br />- I do agree that there is something funny going on with the Software Management tool (zypper). Even for a simple application like "sox", the dependencies listed several hundred MBs of un-related packages. However, doing it from Yast2 (or command-line for those who are inclined so) downloaded only the needed packages.<br />- Hardward detection was excellent - everything worked out of the box including multimedia keys on the keyboard.<br /><br />Coming from Ubuntu 10.10 (i.e. after holding on to Gnome2), KDE 4 has been a fantastic experience and I would rate OpenSUSE as an excellent distribution with few issues:<br /><br />- They should *prominently* enable (e.g. put one-click links on the Desktop folder) users to install meta-packages e.g. Skype/Pidgin/etc. bundle for "chat", all audio-video plugins for "multimedia" etc. It is no fun to manually hunt and add repositories like "packman", "kde-extra" for the basic things (though installation of packages is pretty simple once the repositories are added).<br /><br />- Zypper and Yast2 need to be in sync for sofware packages. It would be much better if they can merge Yast2 into System Settings (or Configure Desktop as the caption shows) to provide a single and consistent front-end.InLoveWIthHillshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17324301409514512525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-57080429710753842862012-10-03T09:33:14.392+01:002012-10-03T09:33:14.392+01:00I have found no SuSE versions so far that would su...I have found no SuSE versions so far that would suit me. That's why I use other OSes.<br /><br />I found SuSE community more or less tolerant. Much more tolerant than, say, Aptosid community.DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-70606226757698058712012-10-03T00:20:02.747+01:002012-10-03T00:20:02.747+01:00Suse and OpenSuse have always run slow on all of m...Suse and OpenSuse have always run slow on all of my machines. I don't know what it is. Other distros have run much faster. Also, For several versions, now, I've found OpenSuse less and less cohesive as a distro than it used to be and the community isn't all that friendly or open to discussion that asks questions like "why doesn't Suse do this or that?".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-23555245343612952852012-10-02T15:37:10.847+01:002012-10-02T15:37:10.847+01:00openSUSE 12.1 with the LXDE desktop works great fo...openSUSE 12.1 with the LXDE desktop works great for me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-65757931305409936702012-10-02T11:39:01.940+01:002012-10-02T11:39:01.940+01:00Chakra has its own pro & contra. But I agree w...<a href="http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/03/chakra-201202-improved-but-still.html" rel="nofollow">Chakra</a> has its own pro & contra. But I agree with you re OpenSuSE.DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-68026720407539285562012-10-02T11:16:55.765+01:002012-10-02T11:16:55.765+01:00I have to agree, I found OpenSuse shockingly bad e...I have to agree, I found OpenSuse shockingly bad ever since 11.3 both on liveUSB and install. KDE on my machine is clunky with all the eye candy. A good example of lean KDE is Chakra. No fuss and speedyMattnoreply@blogger.com