tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post7040500942457886370..comments2024-03-26T17:37:35.499+00:00Comments on Linux notes from DarkDuck: Fedora 25 KDE: disappointing experienceDarkDuck (m)http://www.blogger.com/profile/06273784224243667602noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-45041736814019883262018-01-27T17:12:11.061+00:002018-01-27T17:12:11.061+00:00Very interesting point, although it is posted unde...Very interesting point, although it is posted under a review of an old version of Fedora KDE. :)DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-5106825272864174732018-01-27T16:51:48.623+00:002018-01-27T16:51:48.623+00:00I have always liked Kubuntu. It shows what happens...I have always liked Kubuntu. It shows what happens if the dev team puts a little effort into making KDE work. I think the RH developers have gone out of their way to make KDE unusable.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13387961247639628114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-48998144320151343562018-01-14T18:40:32.074+00:002018-01-14T18:40:32.074+00:00Yes, it's a decline...Yes, it's a decline...DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-14045666125945141762018-01-12T19:14:57.803+00:002018-01-12T19:14:57.803+00:00As a old time, rather ancient Unix guy, really tri...As a old time, rather ancient Unix guy, really tried to like Fedora. Just powered up my server from 5 years back to retrieve the 20TB mdadm data.<br /><br />Can't install KDE on Fedora 27, with all my notes, with all the info out there, KDE can't be installed ... at least relatively easily.<br /><br />Have to agree with DarkDuck, if this is the state of Fedora Linux after all these year, it is somewhat embarrassing.Naenychttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06906718124277508461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-40800411027925437252017-06-05T15:06:55.233+01:002017-06-05T15:06:55.233+01:00Thanks for your input, Jonathon!
I hope it'll ...Thanks for your input, Jonathon!<br />I hope it'll be useful for somebody.<br />However, I review Live systems means you lost the whole point of this blog.DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-67578976638698743342017-06-05T14:49:51.306+01:002017-06-05T14:49:51.306+01:00If you want to get the best out of Fedora you need...If you want to get the best out of Fedora you need some basic technical knowledge. I have outlined the important steps for you to follow.<br />1.Install fedora. Don't judge the distribution when running a live disc and then complain it's buggy or not to your liking. 2. Once you have booted into your knew installation open up a terminal and type su -c "dnf -y update" then reboot. 3. Install Free and Nonfree Repositories from rpmfusion https://rpmfusion.org/Configuration/ 4. Install codecs:<br /><br />dnf -y install ffmpeg gstreamer-ffmpeg gstreamer1 gstreamer1-libav gstreamer-plugins-good-extras gstreamer1-plugins-good-extras gstreamer-plugins-good gstreamer1-plugins-good gstreamer-plugins-bad-nonfree gstreamer-plugins-bad-free gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras gstreamer-plugins-ugly gstreamer1-plugins-ugly libvpx libvpx-utils <br /><br />Your default media player should be now good to go. You could also install vlc media player: <br /><br />dnf -y install vlc vlc-extrasAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09877198230196066383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-91790244969637317632017-04-13T20:48:13.366+01:002017-04-13T20:48:13.366+01:00Will probably do later.Will probably do later.DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-91164248120377814412017-03-16T21:55:39.329+00:002017-03-16T21:55:39.329+00:00Thanks! Very useful reading. The most important ph...Thanks! Very useful reading. The most important phrase for me was "the way the Fedora Project has been treating KDE since Fedora 21 makes me feel like a second-class citizen in the Fedora community."DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-38319386737491075302017-02-27T06:54:53.191+00:002017-02-27T06:54:53.191+00:00Eddie, I like Xfce! ;)Eddie, I like Xfce! ;)DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-377007591666240852017-02-27T06:54:11.186+00:002017-02-27T06:54:11.186+00:00I specifically mentioned RHEL+GNOME relationships ...I specifically mentioned RHEL+GNOME relationships at the very start of this article. But if they release KDE version, should it be half-done? Either polished or not released, my take.DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-1639506451182574162017-02-27T06:51:58.641+00:002017-02-27T06:51:58.641+00:00haha, like that analogy!haha, like that analogy!DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-4651694977532481502017-02-26T16:56:06.827+00:002017-02-26T16:56:06.827+00:00KDE does tend to redo everything a bit too often. ...KDE does tend to redo everything a bit too often. KDE 4 had gotten really good, slick, fast and stable for me on Mint 17.3. I recently upgraded to Mint 18.1, which has KDE5. It's pretty nice too, but not as smooth or stable as KDE 4 was in the prior version. For some reason, the KDE folks don't like to leave well enough alone. They're based on the QT toolkit, and every time there's a major version upgrade to that, there's a corresponding major version upgrade to KDE, which invariably requires a lot of rewriting and takes a long time to stabilize. I guess that's their right, but it results in a '2 steps forward, one step back' experience.littlenoodleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15546306698891975029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-76366634851025208952017-02-25T15:30:50.925+00:002017-02-25T15:30:50.925+00:00Actually, it is a bit unfair to judge KDE going by...Actually, it is a bit unfair to judge KDE going by Fedora or whatever Red Hat's release implementation. RH is a GNOME shop through and through and does little if anything to properly package KDE in its repositories.<br /><br />Please note that I'm not puling that outta my behind: I am an active user of RHEL on my company-provided Thinkpad on a daily basis who chose to bypass that stupid Gnome Shell in favor of a slightly outdated and buggy KDE 4 desktop.<br /><br />In RHEL, GNOME is fully up to date, slick and fully integrated with the software stack underneath it. For example, the GNOME printing tool will go as far as creating a firewall rule specifically to allow the usage of a network printer while KDE's silently fail to find the same network printer. Making changes to the keyboard layout only stick if you do it from the GNOME front-ends. I could go on and on but the bottom line is that people looking for a superb KDE experience should definitely look elsewhere.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10489347950172554560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-77014230459431816322017-02-25T06:36:21.725+00:002017-02-25T06:36:21.725+00:00KDE as a whole is a bit buggy, more so than Gnome,...KDE as a whole is a bit buggy, more so than Gnome, Cinnamon or MATE. I dunno what it is about that desktop environment, but almost every time I've tried to run it? Something crashes, hangs, freezes, or just doesn't open or respond at all. Not going to bash it, but its just not for me. I guess call me simple, but MATE, Cinnamon and Gnome are my top picks for a desktop environment. Anything else is either too tricked out and uber-customized to the point of being impossible to use, or else it's so stripped down to the bare-bones essentials that I can't find / do what I need done. Sometimes that KISS principle?...actually WORKS!Eddie G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11211758013393939905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-38454997143558891862017-02-23T06:42:31.348+00:002017-02-23T06:42:31.348+00:00I see your position, Greg, thanks!I see your position, Greg, thanks!DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-1862363868304343512017-02-22T23:39:13.470+00:002017-02-22T23:39:13.470+00:00It's a little hard to fully appreciate things ...It's a little hard to fully appreciate things if you're only running a Live version. That having been said, I decided to skip over F25, since only recently have things stabilized with my install of F24 some months ago. I use KDE since I've never liked Gnome very much, and I get the impression that there are a lot of things unfinished with KDE when Fedora first upgrades. Greg Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18422487877167541900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-57793494534747573292017-02-22T22:15:55.991+00:002017-02-22T22:15:55.991+00:00Well, MP3 is coming (decoding not encoding, since ...Well, MP3 is coming (decoding not encoding, since that's still a legal issue) in the next Fedora release, because things changed. It's not about being "almost" legal (eg. the patent for mp3 expired in the EU in 2012, as you can see under your link, but it was still valid in US, which is the whole point).<br /><br />As I said, I'm not going to defend Fedora experience, especially a KDE side-version I never used or intend to. And I totally support people picking whatever they want (I pick i3 windows manager over gnome or KDE any day). It just seems unproductive and misleading to pick a distro with a different software set and approach to licensing and call it shit because you can't use (out of the box) proprietary software you use Debian or Windows. It's very in line with people calling Linux "shit" because their games don't work, and they do on Windows. <br /><br />If anyone came down to here and wonders how to install 3rd party software, there's https://folkswithhats.org/. Robert Bąkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15696454560688242218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-7444458796651360382017-02-22T21:30:30.858+00:002017-02-22T21:30:30.858+00:00First, MP3 file format is almost completely licenc...First, MP3 file format is almost completely licence-free <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Licensing.2C_ownership_and_legislation" rel="nofollow">since 2012</a>. Even FSF-endorsed <a href="http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2016/05/gnewsense-past-5-years-same-nuisance.html" rel="nofollow">gNewSense</a> includes MP3 codecs.<br />Second, this isn't the only issue I saw in Fedora 25. It is way too raw.DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-85752669168739384312017-02-22T21:11:19.778+00:002017-02-22T21:11:19.778+00:00There's also https://folkswithhats.org/ which ...There's also https://folkswithhats.org/ which helps with the installation of all the non-free software you might need from a nice UI.Robert Bąkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15696454560688242218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-57838248183795847652017-02-22T21:08:12.045+00:002017-02-22T21:08:12.045+00:00Well, yes. The goal of the Fedora Project is to cr...Well, yes. The goal of the Fedora Project is to create a complete, general purpose operating system **exclusively from Free and Open Source software**.<br />Ubuntu, as an example, is absolutely fine with bundling software that's proprietary (like Flash owned by Adobe) or that has licensing and usage restricted by software patents (eg. MP3 codec). But that's a legal and licensing decision.<br />While it's totally fine not to like the idea, calling it "shitty" makes as much sense as calling Linux the same because it doesn't include something you're used to having on Windows right after install (eg. Minesweeper). Robert Bąkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15696454560688242218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-78690537372534337822017-02-22T18:28:29.890+00:002017-02-22T18:28:29.890+00:00Thanks for your input, Maro!Thanks for your input, Maro!DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-19850704220865235262017-02-22T18:20:13.368+00:002017-02-22T18:20:13.368+00:00I'm using mate version. not ideal but after so...I'm using mate version. not ideal but after some tunings work well. it's my first try after few years break - I was using fuduntu and fedora 17 (?).<br />flash should be installed manually (download flash_player_npapi_linux.x86_64.tar.gz and put libflashplayer.so to $HOME/.mozilla/plugins/ directory).<br />codecs. in some distros codecs are not present but there is script to install them almost painlessly.<br />comparing to Point Linux fedora needs more memory and starts very slowly. compiz doesn't work for my graphic cards.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05227302018217597328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-60466728853686861682017-02-22T13:45:09.730+00:002017-02-22T13:45:09.730+00:00Sorry didn't know you had made a post about yo...Sorry didn't know you had made a post about your approach to reviews. I use Fedora Gnome and I am happy with it BUT as of recent I have really been wanting to use KDE. Unfortunately, the KDE version doesn't work well on my current generation Thinkpad. So in a way I am not surprised that you didn't have much luck with the KDE spin.Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15482883878524210928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-89306855129364229192017-02-22T06:47:49.706+00:002017-02-22T06:47:49.706+00:00Simon, I'm afraid codecs is not the only issue...Simon, I'm afraid codecs is not the only issue I saw. All-in-all, Fedora is far from ideal. You can call it bleeding edge, I call it raw and unstable.<br />I'm not going to argue about live vs install review, as this topic is <a href="http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2011/06/why-do-i-do-live-system-reviews.html" rel="nofollow">closed</a> for me.DarkDuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128579430145372138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-474321140763590831.post-19676871658537368682017-02-22T05:51:46.303+00:002017-02-22T05:51:46.303+00:00Hmmm, not sure we are comparing apples with apples...Hmmm, not sure we are comparing apples with apples here. One can hardly fault a distro for not shipping codecs. I mean try install codecs on opensuse as a newbie like me and you quickly end up pulling your hair out. I feel you should at least have followed one of the standard guides to get Fedora ready for work and fun (see Dedoimedo's blog) - and most of all you should have actually installed it not judged it by a live run. Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15482883878524210928noreply@blogger.com